Chantillion, I have stayed out of this.... but I do have one question that is off topic... since Llywen brought it up. As far as I can remeber (from religion class) there have only been two times in history in which the pope has exercised "ex cathedra." And one of those times, it was only to say that "ex cathedra was real." ? Is this correct? I mean, we protestants always make such a big deal about the infallible pope theory, but that has only been exercised twice... that I know of. Any insight into that?