[b]DHfan wrote:[/b] [quote][b]actresscp wrote:[/b] [quote][b]DHfan wrote:[/b] [quote][b]actresscp wrote:[/b] [quote] So you\'re telling me God thought that Adam and Eve having a choice was worth billions upon billions of human lives whom he loved so much? What a loving God that would make him.... [/quote] not like we dont make a choice to sin too [quote] And ultimately, EVEN IF he was giving them a choice, he still put the tree there, so he still wanted it there. Regardless of why He put it there, He put it there knowing every person that would suffer for it. So regardless of why, He still chose to. If he thought it was that important or if He loved those lost people that much he would have kept it out of there. But, regardless of why, He didn\'t. Which means He wanted it there. Knowing it caused sin. He knew. And so he must have wanted sin.[/quote] eh..... really, really tough to try and say that.... God knows what\'s going to happen, but still gives a choice, therefore he wanted the choice they made to happen... sorry but that\'s really iffy[/quote] Oh, so you ARE saying that God thought that having the choice was worth billions upon billions of human lives. Now I am very convinced of how wonderfully loving He is, in fact, when I go out and tell others of God I will say \"And He is so loving He is willing to condemn you so these other people can have free will.\" That will be a great conversion technique....[/quote] so... becasue God is loving, he isn\'t going to really punish anyone? and I am convinced that you really dont have much to say because all you did is try to make what I said look like something absolutely evil here\'s something along the same line I could say about your idea: next time i go and tell someone about our loving God, i\'ll say \"hey... God loves you, but you might not accept Him, which means that God is throwing you into Hell without giving you a choice about it.\"... works about the same way as what you said[/quote] just by putting the choice there for us doesnt mean He WANTED us to sin, but instead wanted us to choose Him. if there was no choice but to love Him it is not a choice and therefore not true love.