[b]JamesRaio wrote:[/b] [quote]You cannot justify war out of self defense.[/quote] How about defense of allies? If you say it's still immoral, let me ask you a question. Say your neighbor is being raped. You know it's happening. Calling the police is pointless because the rapist will be long gone by the time they get there. You have a gun in your hand. Is it wrong to perform a citizens arrest or even go so far as to use the gun as a last resort in order to stop the rape?