That very well could be that I misread Barry\'s post. I will wait with anticipation for him to respond. I was going off of the wording that he used where he said that \"...his faith was manifested through his deeds.\" Manifested means to come to fruition (My words, and definition... maybe I should look it up) So to me, to say that \"faith is manifested through,\" You are actually saying that \"Faith came about through his works.\" Please listen to me! I am not trying to split hairs and be difficult. I actually think that Barry agrees with what I am saying, but I do nto know him that well, so maybe not. What I am doing is making sure that everyone understands that Barry\'s post is VERY good, and has some good insight. If we profess faith, then our actions should prove it. However, having good works does not bring about faith. B) -Matt