[b]alphajustin wrote:[/b] [quote][b]Silent_K wrote:[/b] [quote][b]alphajustin wrote:[/b] [quote]before we start i want to wipe out some the cheesy over used verses like Rev 22 and II Tim 3:16.[/quote] First of all, don\'t call Scripture \"cheesy.\" It really doesn\'t contribute anything to the discussion and will likely make people mad at you. And in light of one of the verses you \"wiped out\" (II Tim 3:16), I\'m not sure that Scripture can be overused. [b]II Timothy 3:16-17[/b] (ESV) [color=#0000ff]All Scripture is breathed out by God and [u]profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.[/u][/color] *emphasis mine* [quote]these verses DO NOT reference the Bible. they reference the OT writings. if you dont belief me then look them up in greek. remember at the time the NT books were writen, the bible was not a concept. [/quote] One of the things you have to remember is that while man understands things through a linear (or chronological) view of time, God exists outside of time, He transcends it. So from a human (linear) perspective, the NT hadn\'t been written and the bible wasn\'t a concept, but God on the other hand, had already planned for there to be a NT and a Bible. It is limiting God to our level to say that couldn\'t have \"breathed out\" (as the ESV words it) the NT and the entire Bible before humans had the idea for them. That being said the verses (II Timothy 3:16 and Revelation 22) provide enough Biblical support for us to say that the Bible is 100% the word of God.[/quote] this is a nice theory but doesnt provide much evidence or reasoning. just because God can do something doesnt mean he will or did do it. yes God have the ability to be outside of time, but that doesnt mean he instructed the authors of the books in our bible write down verses that reference the future. in fact, if the NT writers were that in tune with Gods plans, then they would have noted in their writings that God is speaking prophetically.[/quote] Well, actually what I meant was since God transcends time, He could have \"breathed out\" parts of Scripture that in man\'s sense of time had not yet been written. The authors of the books could have written down that all Scripture is \"breathed out\" only knowing about the Scripture that they had at the time, but because God is not bound there sense of time, the statement could be just as true for books written after the statement.