Right! Mattbob\'s turn. You get a post all for you. You should feel very special [b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote]Isaiah 9- Keep going to chapter 11. These are not separated by any traveling, or other retelling of events. It is a single sermon, in which we also hear that the person in question will have a FEAR of the L-rd. One need not fear oneself. Well, a MAN might, if he lack self-control, but G-d certainly has no need for this. [/quote] The fear of the Lord doesn\'t mean being afraid of Him. It is humbling yourself before him, and that is something Jesus did. Please see my post in \'If Jesus isn\'t God...\'. [quote] [quote] John 10:30 I and my Father are one. [/quote] \"The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; so that they may be one, even as we are one - I untied with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one and the world thus realize that you sent me, and that you have loved them, just as you have loved me.\" John 17 Are you and I one? Are we the SAME? But we disagree, so let me ask are Barry, Negi, and I one? Am I the father of their children? Of course not. We\'re speaking of being one in the spirit here. And in that sense, we CAN be, and SHOULD be one. [/quote] We are not physically one, but spiritually yes, we are. Or should be, anyway. God is spirit though, so to be spiritually one with him is to be one with him altogether. [quote] Messiah was ABUNDANDTLY clear. Not only CAN we be one, BUT that He means the SAME THING when speaking of believers being one, as He did when He spoke of being one with the Father- Indeed, he says that vicariously, WE can be one with the Father, if WE are one with Jesus, and HE is one with G-d.[/quote] Exactly. Spiritually one. [quote] This has nothing to do with trinity, or Messiah being G-d. There is only one G-d, our Father (Exo 4:22), and any being which is not our Father cannot be G-d (Exo 20).[/quote] There is only one God, but He is in three parts. One God, three roles. An analogy I heard once was relating the Trinity to humankind. For example, I am Sara. I am one person, and only one, but I have several roles, and I act differently within those roles. I am a daughter, a sister and a friend. In my role as a daughter, I act differently to how I would act as a friend or as a sister. I am several things at once, but all of those things are Sara. They are all separate, yet all one. Edit: Spell check :p

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