'MESOPOTAMIAN accounts have garnered the most discussion since they are culturally closer to the BIBLICAL material than any of the other non-SCRIPTURAL narratives. The most famous mesopotamian FLOOD account is the Babylonian version, found in the LIBRARY of the ASSYRIAN king ASHURBANIPAL (seventh century BC) as part of the larger epic of Gilgamesh........An AKKADIAN account dating to around 1600 B.C recounts basically the same tale as that embedded in the Babylonian epic .......An even earlier SUMERIAN version, kwown as the ERIDU GENESIS, contain the stories of creation....,along with an account of the great FLOOD.......' -Archaeological Study BIBLE published by Zondervan page 13...GOD bless you

[b]Dante wrote:[/b] [quote][b]Gamester4 wrote:[/b] [quote]My thoughts on this matter. *Warning some language my be mildly offensive.* [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3DlIrvoHg]Link[/url][/quote] Your thoughts are ignorant and abhorrent, representing the worst kind of attitude held by those who wish to lurk away from the issues that find controversy within religious communities. It's a convenient position for you, because you seem to have no interest in understanding the world around you and by maintaining such a position you can avoid criticism from both sides of the argument, saving you from both performing self-study to make an informed opinion on the matter and from holding your own beliefs under the light of scrutiny. I care because history is important. I care because understanding the implications of scientific findings matters, which is ironically responsible for the very medium by which you share your opinion here, is important. I care because I don't wish to be a blissful ignoramus who overlooks anything I don't understand or matters of controversy. I care because the very principles of physics by which we utilize nuclear medicine are the same principles that tell us how old the Earth is, and because you cannot ignore knowledge in one area while accepting it in another. I care because the very principles of biology by which we create antibiotics and antivirals are the same principles that tell us about the evolution of life on Earth. You live in a glass house, and then you posture about who cares how dinner plates are made. But worse yet, you live in a unique period of time; for no one before you has ever had such easy access to such a wide array of knowledge and information, yet you are disinterested. Billions before you lived and died in ignorance and yet you don't even care to know? What is wrong with you? Dante[/quote] What is wrong with me is the fact that you can get so worked up over the fact that I don't care enough to respond to someone who can't seem to put together a coherent sentence. I would rather have a rational discussion with someone who paid enough attention in grade school to have gained the ability to string words in such a way that it is easy to understand. What is also wrong with me is the fact that you can get so worked up about debating this person and smashing their argument into the ground. Granted he did put it in the debate forum so he did kind of invite discussion on this subject, but I don't he intended the hammer of Dante to come swinging in from on high like Thor. Also I was trying to lighten the mood a little bit with some comedy, but seeing as how that failed I guess my time is better spent being a forum lurker as is my norm. (Not that I'll be missed.) Also I do enjoy learning it's just dealing with people like you who insist on being so intense about subjects that they have such an extreme interest in that when someone expresses disinterest they feel compelled to defenestrate the person the next time they see that person (assuming that when they meet they are in a location that provides the opportunity for a defenestration). There are some people in this world that don't share the interest that you have when it comes to biology and evolution vs. creation. Also not everybody is so willing to go toe to toe with people when they are still formulating their opinion on certain matters. But who cares as long as everyone knows that your opinion/theory/proven fact is the right one? Not everyone wants to go through the draining process of discussing a subject with the most intense students of said subject. It's not that I totally don't care it's that I don't care to debate you on a subject where your passion burns with the intensity of a thousand suns and where mine is still trying to become a flame (granted I may just stay away from the subject if everyone is like you in this regard). I also don't care to debate someone who is either incapable of stringing together coherent sentences or blatantly chooses to disregard the rules of grammar.

For what it's worth, I don't know if his comment was aimed at you specifically based on a single post or at the attitude of "who cares? I'm in my own little world and I'm going to avoid that which makes me uncomfortable" that is prevalent among both Christians and people in general. At least that is how I read it.

[b]serfofChrist92 wrote:[/b] [quote]For what it's worth, I don't know if his comment was aimed at you specifically based on a single post or at the attitude of "who cares? I'm in my own little world and I'm going to avoid that which makes me uncomfortable" that is prevalent among both Christians and people in general. At least that is how I read it.[/quote] Considering his post quoted mine I assumed his comments were directed at me. And since I assumed that I responded. Not that my opinion matters much.

[quote]To throw the party line.... Adam and Eve's DNA was perfect, and it's been slowly deteriorating ever since. As for diversity in our genome -- the genome really isn't that diverse. For the small percentage that is different, diversity isn't really a problem from an evolutionary mindset, is it? I know the YEC viewpoint probably doesn't merit enough time for the diversity we see today, but there is also the interbreeding of mankind with *something* that produced the giants 'n stuff.[/quote] Perfection is not the issue. We're not talking about deteriorated DNA, we're talking about diversity, which the genome [b]is[/b] quite diverse and [b]is[/b] a problem from an evolutionary perspective. What is basically being suggested is that Adam and Eve had all the alleles for all of the modern genome, yet somehow didn't succumb to what can be best described as certain death. Genetic variability is crucial to a species, without it you get inbreeding. Current estimates suggest that were the population to dwindle below 10,000 there would be unsustainable genetic variability and our species would die. [b]samsono500 wrote:[/b] [quote]'MESOPOTAMIAN accounts have garnered the most discussion since they are culturally closer to the BIBLICAL material than any of the other non-SCRIPTURAL narratives. The most famous mesopotamian FLOOD account is the Babylonian version, found in the LIBRARY of the ASSYRIAN king ASHURBANIPAL (seventh century BC) as part of the larger epic of Gilgamesh........An AKKADIAN account dating to around 1600 B.C recounts basically the same tale as that embedded in the Babylonian epic .......An even earlier SUMERIAN version, kwown as the ERIDU GENESIS, contain the stories of creation....,along with an account of the great FLOOD.......' -Archaeological Study BIBLE published by Zondervan page 13...GOD bless you[/quote] And your point is.... what? That if enough ancient cultures believed in some supernatural event then it [b]must[/b] have been true? You don't want to take that logic to its end, believe me. The fact remains that a world wide deluge is not possible (not without wiping out all life on Earth), and were it to occur there would be evidence of it. [quote]What is wrong with me is the fact that you can get so worked up over the fact that I don't care enough to respond to someone who can't seem to put together a coherent sentence. I would rather have a rational discussion with someone who paid enough attention in grade school to have gained the ability to string words in such a way that it is easy to understand. What is also wrong with me is the fact that you can get so worked up about debating this person and smashing their argument into the ground. Granted he did put it in the debate forum so he did kind of invite discussion on this subject, but I don't he intended the hammer of Dante to come swinging in from on high like Thor. Also I was trying to lighten the mood a little bit with some comedy, but seeing as how that failed I guess my time is better spent being a forum lurker as is my norm. (Not that I'll be missed.) Also I do enjoy learning it's just dealing with people like you who insist on being so intense about subjects that they have such an extreme interest in that when someone expresses disinterest they feel compelled to defenestrate the person the next time they see that person (assuming that when they meet they are in a location that provides the opportunity for a defenestration). There are some people in this world that don't share the interest that you have when it comes to biology and evolution vs. creation. Also not everybody is so willing to go toe to toe with people when they are still formulating their opinion on certain matters. But who cares as long as everyone knows that your opinion/theory/proven fact is the right one? Not everyone wants to go through the draining process of discussing a subject with the most intense students of said subject. It's not that I totally don't care it's that I don't care to debate you on a subject where your passion burns with the intensity of a thousand suns and where mine is still trying to become a flame (granted I may just stay away from the subject if everyone is like you in this regard). I also don't care to debate someone who is either incapable of stringing together coherent sentences or blatantly chooses to disregard the rules of grammar.[/quote] Feel free to refer to Serf's post. Dante

I can't get the image of Dante swinging Thor around like a hammer out of my head now...

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