I'll start off with being honest, I'm turned off by the "christian" lifestyle and I have little to no belief in God. I respect your beliefs and traditions and I won't hassle you about why I think what you believe is silly (I don't mean to be disrespectful). Part of the reason I'm not a fan of christians is the fact that I am constantly getting told that being gay is wrong. The the way is live is ungodly. The lifestyle I choose disgust God. I was under the impression that all sin is equal, that God is no more disgusted by me being gay, than he is you judging me on that factor. I personally believe that even if a person is gay they can still be every bit of a christian as you are. So why is it that gay's are always being attacked by the church? Why are we the abomination? Why can't a gay person be christian, just like you?

[b]theycallherlove wrote:[/b] [quote]Why are we the abomination?[/quote] Because God says so. Plain and simple.

There's very little in the bible that can be used in an argument against homosexuality. Jesus certainly didn't say anything about it. Most arguments are made using Leviticus, or the story of Sodom and Gammora. Leviticus labels homosexual sex as "an abomination." The same term, abomination, is used to describe eating or even touch the meat or skin of a pig. In this case, football (the ball is made of pig skin) is an equal abomination to gay sex. Leviticus also says you shouldn't mix two kinds of fabric so cotton polyester blends are abhorrent to god. Same thing with planting two kinds of plants in the same field, which of course is ridiculous considering the symbiotic relationships many crops share (the three sisters for example, beans, squash, and corn all create an important balance when planted together in the chemical makeup in the soil and help the others to grow). So I believe we can honestly say that Leviticus is a bit outdated. As for Sodom and Gammora, I'm of the opinion that it was the subject of rape and cruelty to strangers that is the focus of the story, and the reason they were destroyed. People who think its homosexuality are way out in left field.

The bible has a story tucked away in between the pages. About a certain city and people. God told Abraham he will destrot the city because of thier sexual lifestyle. Then god destroyed it. The thing is that throught the whole bible God say created a man then a female.. then God also says a man shall leave his parents and be joined to his wife and become one in flesh. Never anywhere in the bible did God said he made man for man or adam and steve. you are right in one thing. a liar is just as bad as a person who is gay. Lets get one things straight. gay is not a lifestyle its a moral issue. I have several friends who are gay we joke around with each other and have fun and one of them is christian I brought up the issue with him and he understands.

Hey. That's almost my username :blink: Sorta :P

[b]MessengerOfTheLord wrote:[/b] [quote]gay is not a lifestyle[/quote] I would be interested in how this is possible (assuming the person is actively gay). :)

im going to say somthing i have only told few, my sister is gay. i beleive that you can be gay and christain. but you also need to understand that we know that it is a sin and we dont beleive that it is right. my mother says that even though my sister is gay, that doesnt mean we should shun her and disown her. i beleive that, i think that the judging is bad but being gay is also bad so really its from your point of veiw which is worse, but it is true that you can be gay and christain. God's arms are allways open no matter what.

[b]Ariannastarr wrote:[/b] [quote]im going to say somthing i have only told few, my sister is gay. i beleive that you can be gay and christain. but you also need to understand that we know that it is a sin and we dont beleive that it is right. my mother says that even though my sister is gay, that doesnt mean we should shun her and disown her. i beleive that, i think that the judging is bad but being gay is also bad so really its from your point of veiw which is worse, but it is true that you can be gay and christain. God's arms are allways open no matter what.[/quote] I believe the correct term would be "lesbian".

Did I spell that right? Lol.

Y'know there was one (I think important) part of the OP that has generally been ignored in this thread and I'd like to bring it into the discussion. [b]theycallherlove wrote:[/b] [quote]So why is it that gay's are always being attacked by the church?[/quote] Now I think it's fair to say that [i]most[/i] of the people that consider themselves evangelical Christians are opposed to homosexuality and believe it is a sin (as I do). Research conducted by the Barna Group, found that for as much as 91% of Americans, outside of the church between the ages of 16 & 29, the first thing that comes to mind when they hear Christian is "antihomosexual". (from the book unChristian by David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons p. 28). theycallherlove's stance on the subject is the overwhelmingly popular opinion for her demographic. I'll agree with most of you that righteous zeal against something that is a sin is a good thing. But why is antihomosexuality what we are known for? Why is this what *my* generation defines Christianity as? Was this what the early church was known for? Was this what [i]Christ[/i] was known for? Have we forgotten what we are really about as Christians? [b]I Peter 2:9-12[/b] (ESV) [color=#0000ff]But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. 11 Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. 12 Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.[/color] As Kinnaman and Lyons put it [i]We have become famous for what we oppose, rather who we are for.[/i] (unChristian p. 26). We are [i]for[/i] Christ! We are called to proclaim [i]Him[/i] It was He that drew us out of darkness. Without him, we are no better off than those that we are so quick to call judgment on. Let us not too quickly forget that. Rather than attacking gays, should we not show them the same love that Christ showed to us? Remember it's God's job to judge and punish for sin, not ours.