Psalms 22 1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. [a] 4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me [b] in the dust of death. 16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. 20 Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. 21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save [d] me from the horns of the wild oxen. 22 I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. 25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you [e] will I fulfill my vows. 26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him— may your hearts live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations. 29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive. 30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn— for he has done it. I was reading and found this and a lot of it reminds me of when Yeshua was being persecuted. Particularly the part about piercing his hands and his feet, casting lots for his garments.... But on through it all there is that context if it is read as though it was Yeshua saying it in the first place. If Yeshua is Torah incarnate (as I have been hinted towards), then is it possible that even in the Psalms of David it was His voice being spoken through time perhaps? I'd be interested in seeing responses to this question, even if it is a only a theory.... it is an interesting way to look at it. I don't recall David being pierced in the hands and feet so there has to be something to it.... Also it was after Yeshua, and not David that all the nations bowed down before the Lord. David works inspired his own nation, but Yeshua's works inspired all nations (even if through Rome and their many deceptions... for out of darkness comes light)

[b]defiant_revolutionary wrote:[/b] [quote]Psalms 22 1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. [a] 4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me [b] in the dust of death. 16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me. 20 Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. 21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save [d] me from the horns of the wild oxen. 22 I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. 25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you [e] will I fulfill my vows. 26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him— may your hearts live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, 28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations. 29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive. 30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. 31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn— for he has done it. I was reading and found this and a lot of it reminds me of when Yeshua was being persecuted. Particularly the part about piercing his hands and his feet, casting lots for his garments.... But on through it all there is that context if it is read as though it was Yeshua saying it in the first place. If Yeshua is Torah incarnate (as I have been hinted towards), then is it possible that even in the Psalms of David it was His voice being spoken through time perhaps? I'd be interested in seeing responses to this question, even if it is a only a theory.... it is an interesting way to look at it. I don't recall David being pierced in the hands and feet so there has to be something to it.... Also it was after Yeshua, and not David that all the nations bowed down before the Lord. David works inspired his own nation, but Yeshua's works inspired all nations (even if through Rome and their many deceptions... for out of darkness comes light)[/quote] All of Scripture ultimately points toward Christ. His death, burial and resurrection is the climax of human history.

I don't know about the climax of human history... will not His return be all the more glorious? My point is more towards the effect that seems as though David is speaking the words of Yeshua. Not simply that it is pointing towards Him, but that it is more or less being spoken from Him, from His perspective. He was surrounded by evil men, they pierced his hands and feets, divided his garments, He even calls out..... Mark 15:34 "and at the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice, [saying], Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 "but about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Psalms 22:1 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" and furthermore this reminds me of Matthew 27:43 "He trusted upon God; let him save him now if he will [have] him. For he said, I am Son of God." psalms 22:8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." it is as though that moment in time was being spoken by Yeshua through David..... through time...

pretty much everything in the Bible points to the death of Christ, but some stuff (of course Revelations would fit in with this) points to His return.

When I said climax, I meant thus far in human history. I probably should have said it [i]was[/i] the climax of human history.