Have you seen the painting? It does look kind of like a chick. No one claims that the main plot is true, but there are real theroris about Jesus having a wife and there is historical evidence for it. Do I belive it, I don't know enough about it to have a real opinion, niether do most of you, so don't throw it out.

I understand that the painting does look like a girl is in it.... but John (in paintings where it is clearly marked that it is John) is always portrayed with extremely feminine characteristics.... I dont have the specific examples at hand.... but John, throughout history, has been portrayed femininely And of course there are theories about it lol.... there are always theories about everything.... people believe that men never made it to the moon.... people believe that the government uses mind control on its citizens and these are theories that were come up with soon after the fact.... theories about Jesus have been made thousands of years after the fact.... I also do not know enough about the theories.... but I would be hesitant to believe them if I did not already believe in Jesus and the Bible

Here's my deal with the Davinci Code. A. It goes against one fo the ten commandments -- of using God's name in vain - - you know it's a sin to say something like "Oh my God" out of spite -- so would it not be worse to be making up all these lies about Jesus? I'm sure he certainly doesn't want to be viewed as the movie portrayed him. B. A lot of people say that "it is ok to watch/read the Davinci Code if you are strong in faith because then the movie/book wont shake you in your faith." and this is not true because if this book is just a work of fiction - - would not the same concept be true with anything? so by saying that you're saying its ok to watch some X-Rated racy film because "you are strong in faith" C. Yes you can help SOME lost people know the truth - - but it's going to cause some people just to get confused and agitated and they aren't going to know what to think - - and some to want to turn against the Christian faith all together because they'll believe the media no matter what Christians say.

[b]xLisax wrote:[/b] [quote] A. It goes against one fo the ten commandments -- of using God's name in vain - - you know it's a sin to say something like "Oh my God" out of spite -- so would it not be worse to be making up all these lies about Jesus? I'm sure he certainly doesn't want to be viewed as the movie portrayed him.[/quote] Well duh.... its a secular film..... I dont like it either, but its nothing like "woah... this is so different" and that's really not what we're discussing in this thread [quote] B. A lot of people say that "it is ok to watch/read the Davinci Code if you are strong in faith because then the movie/book wont shake you in your faith." and this is not true because if this book is just a work of fiction - - would not the same concept be true with anything? so by saying that you're saying its ok to watch some X-Rated racy film because "you are strong in faith"[/quote] No, the same concept does not apply to anything..... x-rated films contain substances and such that are completely wrong and it would have nothing to do with your faith..... there is a huge difference..... the Davinci Code is a matter of "history" and philosophy and such..... its not a porn movie.... its not going to cause you to make sinful habits like one of that type would [quote] C. Yes you can help SOME lost people know the truth - - but it's going to cause some people just to get confused and agitated and they aren't going to know what to think - - and some to want to turn against the Christian faith all together because they'll believe the media no matter what Christians say.[/quote] If they get confused and lose their faith just because of a fiction movie, they didnt have faith to begin with..... how can you have faith without knowing the opposing viewpoints? if we just shut ourselves out to absolutely every opposing view, is it really faith? if you dont know how to dispute these ideas, how much more will you fall? and those who get more agitated from the movie would just get the same amount of agitation and such just from watching the news

[quote]Author Message DHfan wrote: Well duh.... its a secular film..... I dont like it either, but its nothing like "woah... this is so different" and that's really not what we're discussing in this thread[/quote] 1. I tend to disagree - - if the movie wasn't really so different - - it wouldnt' bring up so much contraversy - - if it was about faith or not - - [quote]No, the same concept does not apply to anything..... x-rated films contain substances and such that are completely wrong and it would have nothing to do with your faith..... there is a huge difference..... the Davinci Code is a matter of "history" and philosophy and such..... its not a porn movie.... its not going to cause you to make sinful habits like one of that type would[/quote] 2. it would be a sinful habbit to turn from God wouldn't it? and I'm not saying that a "strong" Christian would do that - - but if "strong" Christians keep utterly supporting the movie -- non-Christians might pick up the wrong message - - I myself would wonder if I was a disbeliever why someone who is so strong in their faith would want to watch a movie that displays lies and disproven content about their God -- and that would be misleading people from Christ - -and that's a sin also. [quote]If they get confused and lose their faith just because of a fiction movie, they didnt have faith to begin with..... how can you have faith without knowing the opposing viewpoints? if we just shut ourselves out to absolutely every opposing view, is it really faith? if you dont know how to dispute these ideas, how much more will you fall? and those who get more agitated from the movie would just get the same amount of agitation and such just from watching the news [/quote] 3. I wasn't really pertaining to the people who already had faith - - but rather those who don't - - a lot of disbelievers might watch the movie not knowing of hte truth and if it is not shown to them they might think that the movie is real - - media has so much impact on people - - just because you're strong in your faith and the movie wont shake you doesn't mean it will have the same effect on others. i applaud you on your confidence that the movie wont hurt anyone - - but thats just not how I feel about that - - and i guess there's no way everyone would agree. [quote][/quote][quote]

[b]xLisax wrote:[/b] [quote][quote]Author Message DHfan wrote: Well duh.... its a secular film..... I dont like it either, but its nothing like "woah... this is so different" and that's really not what we're discussing in this thread[/quote] 1. I tend to disagree - - if the movie wasn't really so different - - it wouldnt' bring up so much contraversy - - if it was about faith or not - -[/quote] I was speaking of the using God's name in vain.... while I dont like it.... the majority of secular movies do.... at least the ones rated over pg do.... its not much different in that sense [quote]No, the same concept does not apply to anything..... x-rated films contain substances and such that are completely wrong and it would have nothing to do with your faith..... there is a huge difference..... the Davinci Code is a matter of "history" and philosophy and such..... its not a porn movie.... its not going to cause you to make sinful habits like one of that type would[/quote] [quote] 2. it would be a sinful habbit to turn from God wouldn't it? and I'm not saying that a "strong" Christian would do that - - but if "strong" Christians keep utterly supporting the movie -- non-Christians might pick up the wrong message - - I myself would wonder if I was a disbeliever why someone who is so strong in their faith would want to watch a movie that displays lies and disproven content about their God -- and that would be misleading people from Christ - -and that's a sin also.[/quote] No.... you're basically saying that we shouldnt try to strengthen our walk and faith by watching/reading something and trying to understand the opposite views of something Here's an example for you: my dad is a pastor and he watched the movie and read the book (he said the movie was extremely boring and long). He did this so he could teach a class about the movie. this class was to teach people about the things that are wrong in the book and so he could understand it himself. He's a strong Christian. Is he sinning by watching the movie and reading the book in your opinion? People are talking about Christ now, and the majority of them dont believe the movie (most people in general know the movie is fiction), but they still have mistaken views of Christ and some of those are present in the movie. They might ask us questions, knowing that we are christians, about things that were in the movie. A lot of these questions, we might not know answers to. By watching the movie, we can understand what they are asking and know what to tell them in the sense of truth. [quote]If they get confused and lose their faith just because of a fiction movie, they didnt have faith to begin with..... how can you have faith without knowing the opposing viewpoints? if we just shut ourselves out to absolutely every opposing view, is it really faith? if you dont know how to dispute these ideas, how much more will you fall? and those who get more agitated from the movie would just get the same amount of agitation and such just from watching the news [/quote] [quote] 3. I wasn't really pertaining to the people who already had faith - - but rather those who don't - - a lot of disbelievers might watch the movie not knowing of hte truth and if it is not shown to them they might think that the movie is real - - media has so much impact on people - - just because you're strong in your faith and the movie wont shake you doesn't mean it will have the same effect on others. i applaud you on your confidence that the movie wont hurt anyone - - but thats just not how I feel about that - - and i guess there's no way everyone would agree.[/quote] As I said, the majority of people do not believe the movie in the first place. I know people who get shaken in their faith just from watching the news. It gives them questions about God and the Bible just from watching it. Should we never watch the news just because it shakes people from the faith a little bit? No, we need to understand what's going on. Going to the unbelievers side of it. The news is so biased that they have misconceptions just from watching that as well. This movie really wont shake more people in their view of Christianity than almost anything will. Non-christians that I know dont care at all about the movie when it comes to their views of christianity as they do about how christians act. They think that christians are basically doing the same things they are, so, why even be a christian, there's no difference. That's the problem. Not the movie. Yes, some people are going to just believe the movie just straight-out, but the majority have enough common sense to know not to take the media for everything they say. Most people dont do that anyway

You both bring up very good points that i can't really argue with - -I guess I was only trying to make a point that although the Davinci Code might not be "evil" but it's not neccissarily "good" either. I've read excerpts from the Davinci Deception - -and i guess that's is where i get some of my feelings of "dislike" for the book/movie - - but most of those negative feelings came from a teacher I had this year that preached the book as "truth" and it made me so mad because after I tried to talk to some of the same students as to why I didn't believe it - - a lot of them just figured [i]he[/i] was right because he was "older and wiser" - -&& thats why I think it [i]can[/i] be harmful -- but I guess I have to agree that lots of things can be harmful and you just have to trust in God to make things that [i]could[/i] be bad turn out for the better.

It really has to do with your personal experiences with the movie. No one should teach it as fact. Nothing that is fiction should be taught that way. I think the best thing to do is to watch the movie but to also watch one of those DVD's that tells you what is false in the movie because there is a lot that is historically inaccurate within the book. Even the facts sheet on the first page isnt accurate.

I haven't read the book or seen the movie, but my mom has read the book and she didn't reccomend it to me to read. I asked her what the basic plotline was and after she told me, I got kinda angry and upset that the author would put so many lies about Jesus in the book even though it is considered a fiction book. I know tons of people from my science class at school who have read the book (we also studied evolution last school year. How wonderful, huh? Gotta love my sarcasm.) and it was really sad to hear their view points about the stories 'cause they were actually falling for it and believing most of the things in the story. I think it's sad that the story has corrupted the minds of lots of people and I just wish that the "facts" are mostly false! I tried telling some of my friends who have read the book that some of the "facts" (like where it says in the book that Jesus got married to Mary Magdaline) were false, and I hope that they listened to me, 'cause they're not Christians. Anyways, 'cause of the false plotline of the book/movie, I refuse to read the book or watch the movie 'cause I don't need to be brainwashed with false ideas about Jesus and God. That's all I have to say right now.

I completely agree. Also, if a believer is reading it just to read it, so what. If you have an honest relationship with God then a book will not change your beliefs. If you let it then they were not that strong to begin with. That's just my opinion though, it wasn't written as a non fiction book and some people are taking it too seriously. If you are a christian, the book will not change your beliefs. It is not saying that's what happened necissarily, it's a fiction book.