Was Moses saved? How was Moses saved? These two questions should prompt us to think a bit about the mechanics of the salvation process. I think that most folks would agree that Moses was saved. We gather he was saved because of what we see from the writer of Hebrews: [b]Hebrews 11:24 “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of G-d, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Messiah greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the Passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.”[/b] The writer of Hebrews is emphasizing the faith of Moses by showing his deeds. With the firm conviction that Moses was saved, we come to our second question: How was he saved? This is a bit of a difficult question for most christians because they see salvation as something that depends on the work that Yeshua did some 1500 years after the death of Moses. However, the Nazarene Codicil is quite clear as to the mechanics of how Moses was saved: [b]Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of G-d: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua unto good works, which G-d hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”[/b] The Apostle Paul writing to the Ephesians tells us that Moses was saved by grace through faith. This teaches us a very important lessons: Men are saved by grace through faith. From the first Adam to the last Adam, all are saved by grace through faith! When studying the faith of Moses, You will see that his faith was manifested through his deeds. In fact, the whole chapter of faith, found in Hebrews, emphasizes the deeds of those with faith. The Hebrew word for faith is “emunah.” This word does not teach us about a thought, rather it teaches us about actions. A more accurate translation for “Emunah” would be “faithful obedience”. So when we see the writer to the Hebrews emphasizing the deeds of the great men of faith, we can see that these deeds show a pattern of faithful obedience. Please remember that “emunah,” faithful obedience, requires actions and is not merely a thought process. As James said: [b]James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”[/b] Whenever you see the word faith, in the scriptures, you should always think “faithful obedience”.

Moses was saved. Remember on the mountain top when Jesus went with James, Peter, and John? Moses came down from heaven with Elijiah. (How do you spell that? Witness, a little help.) The Bible states that there has been no leader (other than Jesus) like Moses since.

Good stuff!

Yes, indeed. Just to throw another monkey wrench into the traditional theology, Moshe may have known OF Messiah, but certainly did not know His Name was Yeshua. It was faith (grace) that saved him, but NOT faith that Yeshua was the Son of G-d.

[b]barry wrote:[/b] [quote]Was Moses saved? How was Moses saved? These two questions should prompt us to think a bit about the mechanics of the salvation process. I think that most folks would agree that Moses was saved. We gather he was saved because of what we see from the writer of Hebrews: [b]Hebrews 11:24 “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of G-d, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Messiah greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith he kept the Passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.”[/b] The writer of Hebrews is emphasizing the faith of Moses by showing his deeds. With the firm conviction that Moses was saved, we come to our second question: How was he saved? This is a bit of a difficult question for most christians because they see salvation as something that depends on the work that Yeshua did some 1500 years after the death of Moses. However, the Nazarene Codicil is quite clear as to the mechanics of how Moses was saved: [b]Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of G-d: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua unto good works, which G-d hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”[/b] The Apostle Paul writing to the Ephesians tells us that Moses was saved by grace through faith. This teaches us a very important lessons: Men are saved by grace through faith. From the first Adam to the last Adam, all are saved by grace through faith! When studying the faith of Moses, You will see that his faith was manifested through his deeds. In fact, the whole chapter of faith, found in Hebrews, emphasizes the deeds of those with faith. The Hebrew word for faith is “emunah.” This word does not teach us about a thought, rather it teaches us about actions. A more accurate translation for “Emunah” would be “faithful obedience”. So when we see the writer to the Hebrews emphasizing the deeds of the great men of faith, we can see that these deeds show a pattern of faithful obedience. Please remember that “emunah,” faithful obedience, requires actions and is not merely a thought process. As James said: [b]James 2:17 “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”[/b] Whenever you see the word faith, in the scriptures, you should always think “faithful obedience”.[/quote] Barry, I agree for the most part. However. You say that His Faith was manifested through his deeds. The I strongly disagree with. I say that the deeds are a result of his faith. Deeds are an outward expression of his fath. His faith most certainly was not manifested "created" by his deeds... Hid deeds were manifested by his faith.... That is why it says "By Faith... he did thus." Scripture never asserts that "By works, he had faith" it is always the exact opposite, "By Faith... Works are shown." As far as your "faithful obidience" I agree. Obidience, once again is a result of faith. Faith is not a result of obidience... Maybe you agree, and I misread what you were saying, but I think I read you right. B) -Matt

I dont want to speak for Barry, but it seems you must have misinterpreted. How could deeds possibly produce faith? I believe Barry did mean that a true faith will produce good works ("That they may see your good works, and glorify your Father...")

That very well could be that I misread Barry's post. I will wait with anticipation for him to respond. I was going off of the wording that he used where he said that "...his faith was manifested through his deeds." Manifested means to come to fruition (My words, and definition... maybe I should look it up) So to me, to say that "faith is manifested through," You are actually saying that "Faith came about through his works." Please listen to me! I am not trying to split hairs and be difficult. I actually think that Barry agrees with what I am saying, but I do nto know him that well, so maybe not. What I am doing is making sure that everyone understands that Barry's post is VERY good, and has some good insight. If we profess faith, then our actions should prove it. However, having good works does not bring about faith. B) -Matt

Okay, I looked it up.. I was not quite accurate in my definition. Here are a few definitions.. I do not have all the sources, but none of the following is my own work. To be evidence of; establish the authenticity; give evidence of the quality of; To show or demonstrate plainly; To reveal... etc... So again, I believe that what Barry is saying, and what I agree with is that his works were manifested by his faith. His works, were evidence of, gave authenticity to, plainly demonstrated, and revealed his faith.... NOT vice versa. B) -Matt

[b]MaddMatt wrote:[/b] [quote]Okay, I looked it up.. I was not quite accurate in my definition. Here are a few definitions.. I do not have all the sources, but none of the following is my own work. To be evidence of; establish the authenticity; give evidence of the quality of; To show or demonstrate plainly; To reveal... etc... So again, I believe that what Barry is saying, and what I agree with is that his works were manifested by his faith. His works, were evidence of, gave authenticity to, plainly demonstrated, and revealed his faith.... NOT vice versa. B) -Matt[/quote] Faith manifested through works is right. Manifest can be like made visible. So you can read it: Faith is made visible through works. =) I hope that helped.

and in Revelation 11:6 it talks about two witnesses of who can stop rain and turn the waters into blood. these two r Elijah and Moses. if u want to know if it is Elijah, how stops rain, look up in between 1kings ch. 8-9,its in one of those chapters.